Ihave a feeling this one isn’t headed to  trial, guys. I have a feeling that this one   is not headed to trial. And the normal, I don’t  know, satisfaction or catharsis that we feel when   when justice is served, the closest justice  that we can serve in this uh domain. Anyway,   that satisfaction that we love to feel, I don’t  think that we’re going to feel it in this case.

 I   don’t I don’t think it’s ever going to happen.  I think that the all the indications are that   the cider adults, mom, dad, grandpa, grandma or  whatever combination of whatever went on there.   Um I I I think rightly this these people are going  to end up institutionalized. That’s what I think.   And you know, we’ve covered this case quite a lot,  but there have been two documents filed over the   last two days that we haven’t covered yet that  I’d like to talk about.

There’s a little bit of   information about the CERS family education  uh that we can get into. I also, you know,   we’ve got lots to talk about just in the world  of true crime and the Lindsey Clansancy case,   the Nolan Wells case. Uh, we’ve got some strange,  oh my goodness, an infuriating news out of Pima   County, Arizona.

Of course, we got some good  news and, uh, I guess atypically for me,   out of character for me. This one doesn’t have  to do with animals. Uh, Wanda, I I noticed,   Wanda, that you have your trombone in the uh,  studio today. You found a hook for it. So, we   fixed that problem. We’ve addressed that. There’s  just so much. Of course, we’re going to get into   uh three questions as well.

So, we’ve got a lot  of show to get into the time that we are going to   spend together. So, I guess the only question  I have now is Jav, what are we waiting for? This video contains mature themes and  discussions intended only for adult   audiences. Viewer discretion is advised. Hello  there, my friend. Welcome back to another true   crime conversation with me. My name is Gavin.

Thank you very much for being here as I get   comfy in my little office chair that uh none  other than my snuggly bear, my sweetie pie,   my one and only purchased for me knowing that my  previous chair was a uh cheap piece of uh leudu le   kaka and uh this one is feeling good now. I’ve had  it for like two years. I I don’t know why I bring   it up now other than I really love my chair and  it’s uh it’s much better than the Walmart special   that I had before that. Where are you tuning  in from? That’s my question for you.

And you   know what the other question I have for you? I  I have so many questions. I have the question of   the day that we’re going to start off with today,  guys. I today this very day I accomplished a goal   that I set out to accomplish at the beginning of  the year.

This might be the very first time where   I’ve had a New Year’s resolution. I didn’t call it  that, but it kind of was, right? My my resolution   was I’m going to read six classics in 2026. Give  myself two months to read each one. And I finished   my sixth classic of the year today. I finished  Huckleberry, The Adventures of Huckleberry   Finn by Mark Twain. Oh my goodness, it was so  wonderful. So wonderful. Oh, just so good.

But   uh yeah, I got that finished up. And uh it kind of  leads into the question of the day because um that   was required reading for me when I was in high  school and yet I don’t believe that I read it. So the question of the day, what is something  from your past that you appreciate more now than   you did then? put your answer in the comments and  don’t forget to put GF as well.

And also tell me   where you’re tuning in from. I love love love that  while I do a bit of an intro to the subject matter   at hand. Guys, there are um there are four four  people four four folks living in Vitten County,   Ohio. They are I think we will go from youngest  to oldest. The first is Elizabeth Cers pictured   here.

If you’re watching on the old screeneroo,  if you’re listening on the podcast, you can’t   see this, but it is Elizabeth Cers. Her husband  Gary Siders. I I know you guys hate me for this.   There’s so many corrections that send in that get  sent in on this. I call him G2. Do you know why?   because he was originally called Gary Cers II.

It  took me down this whole rabbit hole of seniors and   juniors and when when do juniors become seniors  and are these legal or do they go on legal   documents and all this stuff? Doesn’t matter. This  is G2 Gary Cers 2. His mom Christina Ciders and   her husband also the father of Gary Cers 2 Gary  one. Now, these folks lived in this house. And no,   this house has not been like ravaged by raiders or  the police didn’t go in and and like make a huge   mess. No, this is the cleaned up version.

They  were cleaning out the inside, throwing stuff out   of the front window in order to make entry to see  the place. So, they’re living this house in this   house in a little town called Hampton, which  is in Venton County, Ohio, southeastern Ohio,   which only has about 12,000 residents. It’s one  of the poorest areas of Ohio. And by all accounts,   the Ciders family were a poor count. Uh,  the Ciders family was a poor family.

Uh,   I I I feel like I got a little bit of uh Huck  Finn’s language. uh you know absorbed into me.   I’m having a hard time speaking. But uh police go  to this house to serve a an arrest warrant to G2,   the younger Gary Siders, uh for four counts of  misdemeanor. Um what is what is the word that I’m   looking for? He I can’t remember the name of the  charge. just like um indecent exposure.

There it   is. It came to me. Came to me. I got it. Um and  when they get there and see the conditions that   are there and start to realize there are children  there, then they uh make entry and they find what   they described as 16 children in one room about 12  by 12.

Now, we know now that it it was a rectangle   room, not a square room, but uh nevertheless,  it was mug in there, man. It was gross. It was   I mean, garbage piling up, uh fecal matter, both  human and animal. There were cats everywhere.   There were probably all sorts of rodents and  insects in there. It just really, really bad. The   car also was was disgusting.

So, this is where we  are on this case, right? The the four adults, they   are charged, they are each charged eventually with  16 counts against them, felony counts having to do   with, you know what, YouTube just doesn’t like  me to say it, but basically the the mistreatment   of their children based on putting them in  danger. Let’s say it that way. Okay. All right.   Uh the elder cider they were they all were given  a $300,000 cash or shy bond.

The elder citers was   released to on his own recgnissance and taken to  hospital having taken a fall while in custody.   Uh we know this because Venton County prosecutor  Bill Archer said as much that they didn’t want to   be on the hook for the bill for his medical care.  So they put him out on his own recgnissance and   part of that deal was he can’t be in contact with  any of the victims, we should say alleged victims   because this hasn’t been proven yet, but uh the  the kids nor his co-defendants, his wife, his son,

his daughter-in-law. And that’s that is where we  are now. Today we are specifically going to be   talking about young Mrs. Cers, Elizabeth Ciders.  And the reason that we’re doing that is because   Tommy Staly, her attorney, this guy right here,  seems to be a a fine attorney. Uh, from everything   that I can tell, he he’s a he’s sporting the full  Windsor knot there with the dimple in the middle.

He he knows how to tie a tie. I know that, too.  So, not only do I think he’s a fine attorney,   but I also think he’s a snappy dresser.  Look at those peak lapels. Looking good.   shoulders are where they’re supposed to be. Yeah,  doesn’t matter. I’m getting sidetracked. Getting   don’t need to get sidetracked, Gavin. Anyway,  Mr.

Stolley filed a motion today that we have we,   you and me, we have come to know these kinds of  motions really well because this is not the first   nor the second nor the third motion. such motion  in this case. Nay, it is the fourth and it is a   motion for an evaluation to determine whether  Elizabeth Ciders this time is one not guilty by   reason of insanity or two if she is competent to  stand trial.

Meaning, does she understand what’s   going on? Can she assist her counsel in her  own defense? These are required by law. And uh Mr. Stolley wants to know, hey, is his client even  capable of going through a trial? And even if she   were, it is she is it even possible for her to be  guilty because of her own insanity? And yesterday   we went over uh the different defenses to in  that case it was murder because we were talking   about Deorvida and uh and poor little Celestrias  Ernandez.

But it is it is an affirmative defense   of almost any felony, right? You have to be  able to know what you’re doing was wrong. And   uh that is what Mr. Stolley wants to know. But  before we get into that, you guys think you guys   you guys think that I would forget you. No, we  had the question of the day. Let’s see what you   guys are saying over here in the live chat.  Uh let me roll on up.

Lori Burton is watching   from sunny Arizona. Let’s see if we can get Lori.  There we go. Sunny Arizona is in the house. Lori,   thank you very much for checking in. We got Wales  here. We got Let’s see. What do we got? Um, Marie,   it’s good to see you. Marie saying, “I just  hope the children can be helped and learn to   live a better life.” I do, too. Austin, Texas  is in the house.

At least I think it is Austin,   Texas. Tina saying, “Doing good, hun. How  about yourself?” I’m glad. Glad you’re doing   well. Glad you’re doing well. Uh, Pearl Snaps  saying, “Nicely ironed shirt.” Well, thank you,   Pearl Snaps. Thank you. Yes, I if you guys  don’t know this, I am uh an enthusiast of the   art of pressing and ironing. This happens to  be a 100% linen shirt.

And the fact that you   noticed that it had a good press makes me feel  good because I had to do it twice because guys,   what is it? Robin Robin’s shaking her head  at me right now. She’s like, “Come on, Gavin. This is definitely a tangent. In my  defense, Pearl Snaps made me do it, but   uh uh I I saw a tutorial. I’m always seeking to  learn.

I saw a tutorial saying that uh you should   try with a wet shirt. Start with your clothing  wet or damp, not like soaking wet, and iron it.   Uh, but that doesn’t take into consideration  the fact that I own the world’s greatest and   and most effective and and maybe even highest end  iron. So, uh, so it didn’t do a good job. And then   when I put it on today, it was kind of crusty.  Like, no, that this just will never do.

So, so I   repressed. That’s what I did. Thanks for noticing,  Pearl Snaps. Appreciate that. Uh, Kim Croll says,   “ES pictures scream victim.” Let’s um let’s bring  it back here. Elizabeth’s photo screams victim.   Gut instinct. I also think Elizabeth Ciders  could be educated and a contributing member   of society. Too hopeful. I don’t know.

I don’t  I I I I’m only I only know kind of what we see,   right? We I don’t I don’t know enough details,  but you know what it’s you’re never too hopeful.   Keep hope alive. Mother dragons checking in from  Tiffen, Ohio. Thank you very much. Uh Wales in   the UK is checking in. Uh my only experience in  Wales is in Wales is in Cardiff. Uh the first   time I was in Cardiff is because I was flying into  Bristol and apparently we couldn’t land there.

And   so they diverted us to Cardiff and bust us over  to Bristol. And then the second time was on that   same trip. I was like, “Dude, Cardiff is that  close?” So I rented a car. I went to Cardiff.   It was fun. I I recharged myself. You guys know  I stood there and in a in a very tiny wimy kind   of way recharged myself. Tuning in from much  cooler Marietta, Georgia.

Glad to see you,   Christine. Uh in the northwest of England near  Manchester. Thank you very much for being here.   Uh Diane says, “Congrats to accomplishing  my reading goal.” Thank you very much,   Mother of Dragons. How I clean way more now and  how my personality changed for the good. Oh,   that’s good. That’s good.

Orange chicken, do  you ever listen to Audible? Um uh I I used to um um Audible used to be the way that  I consumed most of my reading.   Um, but I just I just stopped. Anyway, uh,  what is it? Windgate Kid says answering the   question of the day. What was the question of  the day again? Question of the day was, “What’s   something from your past that you appreciate more  now than you did then?” And Windgate Kid says,   “My job.” Because I loved my job, but had to  go out on disability from South Carolina.

Ah,   that’s a bummer. You appreciate your husband nor  more. Good for you. Cornbread. The loud constant   chaos of small children. Yeah. I remember when  I was a kid there there was like this anecdote.   Uh my parents would take us on these little day  trips all the time. We’d go on drives and one time   we found ourselves up I think it was probably  in Amodore County uh kind of up in the the the   foothills and uh we were in a old hotel that was  supposedly haunted and there was this anecdote   told about a baby cry and everybody just loved  the baby cry cuz they had all been out working

you know mining and panning for gold and hadn’t  heard a baby cry in forever and I didn’t get the   story at the tender the age of 13 or 14 like okay  whatever. However, I have to say where we go to   church it’s mostly us old folks and it is like um  a breath of fresh air every time I hear a baby cry   or fuss or like you can hear the crayon or marker  coloring on paper, right? You’re just like, “Oh,   that’s so great.” Um, mushrooms you didn’t  app that you appreciate them more now. Okay.

Are we talking like just like the the Epicurious  style of mushrooms or are we talking the a little   more psychedelic kind. Either way, I don’t  approve. No, whatever. You do you. Modesto,   California in the house. Tuning in from great the  Great Bend of Florida. I appreciate the social   psychology class I took before I dropped out of  college when I was 20.

Uh, criminal med says,   “My speedreading course really helped in college,  Wisconsin, Northwoods. These days I enjoy history   so much more than when it was obligatory in high  school.” I’m the same way. Same way. Robin says,   “I’m grateful for the family drama before leaving  for church. I’m now very I’m a very timely person.

If I’m on time, I’m late. Thanks, Dad. Nice. The  family drama before leaving for church. That’s   funny. Uh, GB Nut says that my dad taught me to  always tell the truth. Ah, good dad. Good parents   are the best. Diane says, “I had a great grandpa  was Albert senior. His son was junior until his   dad passed away. Then his son was junior.” Yeah,  that’s you can you can be junior.

Then your dad   passed away and and you can become senior if you  it’s people can people can play around with it.   Mooney says, “I am thankful I had plenty of great  fun with great friends. Wouldn’t trade it for the   world.” Yeah, man. Saudi Daisy, Tennessee in the  house. For question of the day, time I thought   things would never happen and now it seems to fly  by. I make sure to be in the moment.

You know,   appreciating the moment while it’s happening is  a gift for sure. Marie says, “My dad teaching   me how to live in this able-bodied world as a  disabled person. He always told me to figure   it out for myself how to get things done.  Again, great parents are the best, right? And   uh Teresa is asking where are the children now?  All we know is that they are in the care of   the state. We don’t we don’t know where they are  right now to my knowledge.

Anyway, uh Robin says,   “Sorry, Gavin. wasn’t able to send you a gentle  nag about your tangent and the backlighting as I   was eating a delicious Reese’s cup or as they  say out here in western Pennsylvania a Reese’s   cup but that if you say Reese’s and not Reese’s  that is an indication that there is some sort of   psychosis happening there this is just my opinion  not a doctor right uh Nordic queen as a mother of   four children I appreciate peace and quiet yes  there will come a day Nordic queen where you   will long for well maybe maybe not it did h it  it’s happened to me where you’ll long for the

uh the noise Mary Shaw says so miss young  children have two beautiful four and six   great granddaughters love their chatter and  laughter that is sweet sweet sweet stuff okay   come with me if you will from the question of  the day over to this here document ra this filed   this very day, August 4th, 2026. Year of our  Lord. No, that’s backwards, Gavin.

August 4th,   the year of our Lord, 2026. This morning at 7:43  a.m. in the matter of the state of Ohio, County of   Vitten versus Elizabeth Ciders. Remember, all four  of these cases are separate cases, separate from   one another. uh judged uh I’m sorry filed in Judge  Feather Rogers court and the motion by Mr.

Stolley   is motion for an evaluation to determine whether  the defendant is not guilty by reason of insanity   and whether the defendant is competent to stand  trial. Let us read. Now comes counsel for the   defendant who hereby respectfully moves the court  for an order that a formal evaluation be conducted   in order to determine whether the defendant  is competent at this time to stand trial to   the offenses as charged herein.

Alternatively, oh  interesting that his uh title was in the reverse,   but okay, it doesn’t matter. Alternatively,  if the defendant is found to be competent,   council hereby simultaneously requests that the  defendant undergo an evaluation to determine if   she is not guilty by reason of insanity because  she was suffering from a condition which would   produce legal insanity at the time of the alleged  offenses.

You know, this brings up a question that   has been brought up a couple times and my question  is when were the alleged offenses? Because we have   the charging document, but it does not I can bring  it up. Let me let me bring it up. And while I’m   bringing it up, I’ll bring up my concern.

The  charging document does not include an affidavit   of probable cause, which typically would tell us  when the um the alleged crime took place. Now,   as I’m saying this aloud, let me see if  I can just find As I’m saying this aloud,   I’ll bring up Elizabeth’s criminal complaint.  Here it is. Um there are 16 counts, one for each   child.

Perhaps they are not alleging that anything  happened um at any other time besides the moment   at which they went in and found the kids in that  in that condition. I have been laboring under the   assumption this entire time that the crime was  over the course of many years or or let’s just   call it uh of some amount of time but because  there are in count like count one, count two,   count three and so on and so forth.

um the it  might just be that it’s one count for each child,   which we know it is at that moment, not over  the course of time. So when we go back to Mr.   Staly’s motion when he’s saying because she  was suffering from a condition which would   produce legal insanity at the time of the  alleged offenses. He is saying on June 30th,   2026 she was suffering from a condition that would  produce legal insanity.

Am I reading that right?   That’s the way it seems to me. H Okay, let’s  continue. Defense council makes this motion   in good faith to determine defendants’s mental  condition at the time of the offenses charged   and whether defendant is competent to stand  trial on the offenses charged. The reasons   for this motion are more fully explained in the  attached memorandum of support which should be   incorporated herein. And good news, Mr.  Stolie, it is incorporated herein. Yay.

All right. I think that was a breakthrough  for my understanding of this case. It’s   something very simple, but I think that was I  think that was I think they are charging for   an offense that happened the moment they  went to arrest Gary Cers the Younger. Um because police witnessed the the the crime, the  alleged crime or they alleged they witnessed a   crime, right? So that’s that’s probably what  it is.

They probably don’t have to in Yeah,   this is a moment for me. Let me take this  moment. Let me just take this moment.   This entire time since early July  when we started talking about this,   I honestly had thought that they were going that  they that the prosecution had a real challenge   here that they had to prove a long pattern of  CA against these kiddos.

But that is not what   they are charged with. They are charged with  16 counts, one for each child, of a crime that   occurred that police say they witnessed when  they went to serve that arrest warrant on G2. Yeah. Okay. I’ve I’ve had my moment. Thank you  for your patience. I’ve had my moment. I should   have given you a little bit of uh maybe some  Wanda music, some some Jeopardy music.

Maybe   Wanda could could, you know, we’d be demonetized  if we did that. It’s a bad idea. Wanda, don’t   don’t don’t play Jeopardy music. Okay, let’s move  on to Mr. Stol’s memorand memorandum in support,   which is because it should have been and  it is incorporated herein. All right,   first paragraph.

Council was appointed by  this court on July 2nd, 2026 to represent the   defendant in the above captioned case. I thought  I was going to have to push the on button there   for a second. On June 30th, 2026, the defendant  was charged in a criminal complaint. Thereafter,   on July 1st, 2026, the state filed an amended  complaint charging the defendant with 16 counts of   I’m going to call it CE because I’m going to just  try my darnest to make sure that YouTube does not   uh uh punish me for the for the case that  we’re talking about.

Okay, we’ll call it   CE in violation of the Ohio Revised Code blah  blah blah. Each count being a felony of the   second degree. The defendant appeared on July  1st for init for an initial appearance hearing   at which time bond was set at $300,000 cash  or shorty. As of the filing of this motion,   the defendant has not been indicted and  therefore council does not have all of the facts,   evidence or circumstances of this case or the  defendants’s subsequent arrest, which is an   interesting statement. Uh we understand from again  uh attorney Archer, the Venton County prosecutor

that because they are a small county and they  just they they just don’t have a need for it,   their grand juries are impanled at a slower pace.  Therefore, they’re waiting for the next grand   jury to be impanled to make the presentation and  therefore either get an indictment or not. Uh but   the the question that or I guess the thing that  has been shown to us here is that okay so defense   doesn’t get any discovery until the indictment is  handed down.

Is that the way it works? like his   his client is in jail and there is a $300,000  bond and yet no discovery has been transmitted seems kind of odd to me right I mean and I know  they’re different states right but if we go back   to the Deorva case before the preliminary hearing  which serves the same basic function as a grand   jury proceeding, right? Just to try to establish  that there is probable cause to proceed through   court.

Um the the defense they they pushed that  preliminary hearing off several times because they   had to go through so much discovery. So Mr. Stolie  has not received apparently the facts, evidence,   and circumstances of the case. Maybe I’m harping  on this too much. He he does qualify. It does not   have all of the facts, evidence, or circumstances  of this case or the defendant’s subsequent arrest.

Okay. However, in the interim, council has met  with the defendant on numerous occasions and   for extended periods. During these interactions,  council has been able to observe the defendant’s   demeanor, conduct, and comprehension. These  interactions lead counsel to believe that the   defendant may be suffering from significant mental  health issues and that competency may be an issue   and a clear impediment to the defendant’s  ability to assist in her own defense.

Okay,   so my question on this though and and hey, look,  this is nitpicky, right? I’m splitting hairs here,   but out of everybody’s case here, it’s been Mr.  Stolley who has been the most vocal publicly. He’s   been the one that has done interviews with the  media. Uh, you know, this guy’s been out there.   I I think with his build, he would look better in  a half Windsor, but again, we don’t need to go off   on side quests. That it that’s a sharp tie. I’m  just saying. I’m just saying he’s got a handsome

symmetrical face. adding a little asymmetry in  there. It I’m telling you might look good. Anyway,   um where was I? What was I talking about? We  were talking about I I that got on a Robin.   Oh my goodness. I got on a tangent, right? Another  fish tangent now. Ah, thank you, Wanda. Yes. Okay,   I remember now. uh the he has been the most vocal.

He’s been the one that has been out there the   most. He has been uh and one of the things that  he first talked about was I talked to my client   and the one thing that she wants is to be reunited  with her children. That’s what she wants. That’s   what and and and I’m not saying that that’s not  true, but it does seem a little suspicious that   he didn’t come out and say, “You know what? my  client is kind of like Allan Jackson did with   Nick Reiner, right? Didn’t come out and say, “Hey,  I stand behind my client.

My client under the law   is not guilty of the crimes that she is charged  with.” You know, he didn’t do that. He just came   out and was like, you know, my client would really  like to be reunited with her children. And he’s   even gone on to say that he represents her in the  family law side of this, whatever they call that,   that the probate side of this.

Um, so I mean,  he’s talked, I wouldn’t call it at length,   but he’s talked multiple times about this and he’s  never sat down and said, “My client is not guilty   of this.” Until until he’s made this motion. Um  anyh who blah blah blah. Okay. Line 16. Council   is prepared to provide a more detailed accounting  of his concerns and the specific conduct giving   rise to those concerns directly to the court  and eventually to the evaluating medical   professionals.

This time, council believes that  the defendant’s significant mental health issues   would not only affect whether she is competent  to stand trial, but would also have affected her   ability to understand the wrongfulness of her  conduct at the time of the alleged offenses.   And okay, again, I’m sorry to Oh, you guys, I pu  Javi, I didn’t push the right button. I apologize   to you because it reflects poorly on you. I’m  sorry.

Um the when he says the alleged offenses,   we’re not talking about multiple offenses over  a long period of time. We’re talking about one   offense per child in one moment. I think that’s  what I think. U anyway, such that the defendant   would not have fully understood the consequences  of her actions at the time of the alleged   offenses.

Should such actions have actually  constituted criminal conduct? And good for you,   Mr. Stolley, saying I’m not even I’m not even  saying that this is criminal conduct. I’m just   saying if it were criminal conduct, my client I I  have I I am dubious about my client’s ability to   understand that they that what she was doing was  wrong. Right. So, and then uh page three is simply   wherefore council for the defendant respectfully  requests that this court order a formal evaluation   be conducted in order to determine both whether  the defendant is competent Excuse me for a second.

Excuse me. Wow. I think I need I  need a throat loss here. Loenge. Okay. In order to determine whether both whether  the defendant is competent at this time to stand   trial to the offenses as charged herein and if  so to further evaluate the defendant to determine   whether she is not guilty by reason of insanity  because she was legally insane at the time of the   alleged offenses. Respectfully submitted J. Thomas  Staly. Oh my. I feel another tangent coming on.

guys. Okay, listen. If there are any young women  in my audience, okay, young men, future parents,   okay, I’m begging you for those of you who have  children who may have children, I’m begging you   to to talk to them, okay? Don’t name them one  name and then call them their by their middle   name. Don’t do that. It’s mean. It’s mean. I  This is coming to you from Jayg Gavin Fish.

Okay. The world is still not prepared for it. The  world is not prepared for it. Your child will be   called not their name their entire life. On the  other hand, they will know when somebody like   a salesperson is calling and trying to act all  like close to them. That that’s a dead giveaway,   right? Hey, is John around? Um, who’s this? Anywh  who, J.

Thomas Stolie signed it respectfully and   u good on Mr. Stolley. So now, as of about an hour  ago, there wasn’t anything else that was um that   was filed, but why don’t you and I real quick  like just head on over to the court’s website   and just search to see if anything else has been  filed since like an hour ago. There is one more   document that I want to get into but just just  to check this is uh Gary Cers 2. Nothing.

This is   Christina. Nothing new. Anyway, this is Elizabeth.  This is the the latest thing is the motion that we   just went over. And then Gary Cers the Elder.  He had something uh yesterday. So, nothing new   since as of like an hour ago. But let’s join me  if you will back over here on Acrobat and let’s   go to this document which was filed in Gary  the Elders case G1’s case.

Okay, this right   here guys is an indication that the elder Mr.  CERS is no longer in hospital or as we say here   in the states in the hospital. I I wanted to be  inclusive of our friends across the pond. Um this   is his recgnissance bond. Okay. Well, uh yeah, I  think that’s what it’s called. Recognizance bond.   Okay.

of the state of Ohio, Venton County, be it  remembered that on August 3rd, 2026, Gary Ciders   personally appeared before me and jointly and  severally acknowledged themselves to owe the state   of Ohio the sum of $300,000 to be leveled on the  levied sorry on their goods and chattles, lands,   and tenementss if default be made in the condition  following to it. By the way, just judging by uh   seeing this house, I think they have neither goods  nor chattles, nor lands nor tenementss.

I think I   I don’t think he cares about this, especially his  age and condition. All right. The condition of   this recgnissance is such that if the above bound  Gary Ciders personally be and appear before said   Venton County common please court at the call of  the court then and there to answer the charge of   CE and abide the order and judgment of the court  and appear from day to day and not depart without   leave until such case is finally disposed of.  then this recgnissance shall be void.

Otherwise,   it shall be and remain in full force and virtue.  It’s basically like, hey, um, we are going to take   $300,000 from you and we won’t as long as you’re  like at the court when we call your name that you   do not leave without us giving you permission,  that you answer the charges, and blah blah blah   blah blah blah blah. His conditions are be a  law-abiding citizen.

Don’t don’t go out breaking   the law. Don’t go breaking the law. I think that’s  how that song goes, right? Doesn’t matter. Okay.   Condition number two, keep the court informed of  any address and telephone number changes. Three,   appear at all court hearings.

Four, appear before  the sheriff of Venton County, Ohio within 24 hours   to submit to fingerprinting and DNA collection  procedure. Five, submit to drug and alcohol   screening at request of law enforcement.  And six, I found this one interesting,   GPS at the state’s expense. The uh the reason  that one kind of uh tickled a nerve with me   is because there is another case down there in um  Kentucky. You guys will remember this case.

Well,   you probably will remember the this face which is  Judge Kevin Mullins. But this guy that I’m showing   you on the screen right now, that is Ben Fields.  He in Kentucky was the GPS officer and they’re in   Lecher County. The folks being released on GPS.

They were the ones that were on the hook for the   cost of the GPS service. In this case, they’re  saying GPS at state’s expense. Perhaps that is   because of an indigence situation. Maybe. Or maybe  Ohio’s like, you know what? We are just we are a   generous state. We are Buckeyes after all. I don’t  know what that has to do with it.

I just know it’s   a Buckeye state. But uh we are generous and uh  we’re not going to make anybody pay for GPS.   But I think it’s more likely that he’s indigent,  so he can’t pay for it. So, the state’s going to   pay for it. But look, look right here on your  screen, if you will. That is a signature. And   that was before Jeremiah Griffith. Well, it  was before his deputy clerk, Karen Miller.

So, and that looks like the signature of a man  about in the state of the guy that you see on your   screen. Very shaky hand, but I can see how it kind  of says Gary Cers. Sure. Yeah, I can see that. So,   he is out of the hospital, y’all. And where he he  be staying, I know not.

And I don’t think it’s my   business to know. I think this is one of those  things, you know, we’re going to get into this   here in a little bit, but I am I am uh uh what  is what is the term that I’m looking for? I am   uh moved to anger over the behavior of some people  in this bountiful and beautiful land of ours.   uh in as far as they are sending threatening  messages to people that they are angry at or   or toward in the Nolan Wells case.

It makes me  so angry that there are people that are sending   these kinds of threats. And so for the sake of  the safety of the CERS family if they get out   on their own recgnissance or if they post bail, I  think it’s none of our business where they are as   long as they are following the conditions of  their bond. And I think it’s because I think   there are crazy people out there that are angry  enough at these guys to do something horrible.

And I don’t want that to happen. I want guys I’m  not a believer in vigilante or prison justice. I   think it is the wor it it is a it is a display of  the worst side of humanity when this kind of thing   happens.

We’re going to get into the Nolan Wells  case a little bit here in a second, but um yeah,   so we don’t need to know where he is. What we do  know is that he apparently is out of the hospital.   Okay, the last thing I want to show you in the  cider case before we get over to your comments   is this article from yesterday at uh from the  local NBC affiliate NBC4 investigates says   records detail citers children adults time spent  in public schools and I think this is important   think this is very important because I I think  this whole thing is Idiocracy. I I do.

If you   have not seen Idiocracy, guys, it is a mustwatch.  I know that there are a couple of you who have   tried at my recommendation and have it’s made you  so uncomfortable you haven’t wanted to watch it, but I’m telling you, it stars Dak Shepard,  Luke Wilson, Terry Cruz. It’s a great cast. Um,   definitely watch Idiocracy, but I think that the  Ciders family thing is Idiocracy like happening   in front of us and um, so let’s read this date  line is Columbus, Ohio.

School records show,   who’s this written by? Katie Meard. School  records show the six eldest children rescued   from a Venton County home were enrolled in  public school for two years, the same district   their mother had attended. Uh this is a photo of  their mother when she was a younger girl. Uh Gary   Cider 73. This we’re going to yada yada this  because yeah, we know what the case is.

Quote,   “They were pretty adept at keeping these kids out  of sight and out of the eyes of investigators.”   Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson said on July  1st, “Records reveal the kids were known in   some capacities. The CERS can be traced to  multiple addresses around southeastern Ohio   living in three different school districts.

Two  districts said they had no record of the children,   but Gallia County local schools saw six of  the Citers children enrolled temporarily at   Adavville Elementary. According  to Gallia County Local Schools,   uh that that’s a weird That’s the title. According  to Gallia County local schools records, the six   eldest chiders children enrolled in Gallia schools  on August 6th uh August 26th, 2020.

Records show   they were unenrolled on April 12th, 2022 after  attending zero days of the 2021 2022 school year.   I wondered how many days they enrolled in the 2020  2021 or I wonder how many it doesn’t matter. Okay.   They were unenrolled a few months after a court  closed a truency case examining the children’s   absences.

Court records in a truency case show  on October 19th 2021 the six citers children   had not attended any school that year 8 weeks into  classes. This implies that they did attend school   the previous year. The case was dismissed on  January 7th, 2022 because the children’s parents,   Gary 2 and Elizabeth, see we still can’t agree  on the G junior senior thing. So G1 and G2 it   is Gary II and Elizabeth could not be served  court papers as their whereabouts were unknown.

As in As if like a good skip tracer couldn’t  find them. Come on. NBC4 asked Gallia schools   if the children attended any school during the  2020 2021 school year, but was told by district   by the district but was told the district could  only provide enrollment dates. The district did   confirm the students did not attend any school in  the 2122 school year.

The records add to birth,   death, property, and court records that track the  citers’s movements in detail prior to the arrests.   Um, yeah, there’s a timeline that we can that we  can do. Maybe I will click on that just to see. Yeah. Um, we’ve gone over this timeline before.  Okay. Before the 16 children were born, some of   the citers’s adults also attended Gallia schools.

Superintendent Philip Cune said his team also   searched through records in a district warehouse  and discovered Christina that is the elder Mrs.   Cers and Elizabeth the younger Mrs. Cers both  briefly attended Gallia schools in their youth.   Cune said there were no records indicating Gary  1 or Gary 2 attending Galia schools. Quote,   “We also looked at yearbooks from the time Gary  Cers Jr.

would have been in school, but he was not   listed.” Cune said Elizabeth Ciders, Elizabeth  Russell at the time, was in Gallia County   schools the longest. Records show she attended  Adavville Elementary, Kiger Creek Middle School,   and some schooling in River Valley High School.  Records indicate Elizabeth Ciders withdrew to   home instruction on April 29th, 2008. They were  married in May of 2008, if I remember correctly.

I   don’t have to remember correctly. I could just go  to that um that timeline real quick. Let me see. Uh, March 2008. They were wet in March of 2008. So, she  was already Mrs. Ciders when she withdrew   to home instruction on April 29th. One  month before withdrawing. Oh, you know,   all I have to do is keep reading. And this amazing  reporter will answer all my questions.

Why do I   stop? I should just keep reading. One month before  withdrawing, Elizabeth and Gary 2 got married at   a West Virginia courthouse. She was 15 and in her  freshman year. Gary 2 was 18. Court records state   Elizabeth had finished 8th grade by the time of  her marriage and Gary Jr. had finished ninth.

One   month after withdrawing, Elizabeth Ciders gave  birth to the first child rescued from the home,   a girl. Gallia records show Elizabeth reenrolled  in Galia schools in October 2008 during her   sophomore year. Interesting. Cun said Elizabeth  Ciders finished her sophomore year but withdrew   and went to homeschooling on August 26, 2009,  the start of her her junior year.

Records also   show Christina Ciders, then Christina White, so  going to the elder Mrs. Iders enrolled at Hannon   Trace High School in 1975, the the year of my  birth actually, when she transferred from Point   Pleasant Junior High in West Virginia. Christina  only attended the first semester of that school   year in Gallia schools.

According to a copy of  the Sunday Times Sentinel, Gary 1 and Christina   applied for a marriage license around July 23rd,  1978 when they were 25 and 19, respectively. Okay. The CERS adults are awaiting indictment  in Vitten County where they were living at   the time of their arrest. Gary 1, Gary 2,  and Christina have all been granted mental   competency evaluations to determine whether they  would be fit to stand trial.

And then this again   was written yesterday, and we know that the news  has changed, right? Elizabeth’s attorney has not   requested a competency evaluation, but told NBC4  they are considering it. And consider it, they did   because it was filed this morning.

This morning?  Is that what I just said? Did I say this morning?   this morning at 7:43 a.m. according to the  stamp by the uh clerk of courts there. So yeah,   I mean, did Elizabeth graduate? I doubtful. She  graduated high school. She got I think I think we   could I think we could say she has an eighth grade  education. I think that’s the safest thing to say.   Yes, she went a little bit her freshman year.

Yes,  she reenrolled her sophomore year, but we don’t   have an indication that she did anything those  years. I think it’s probably safe to say she has   an eighth grade education. I think it’s probably  safe to say that G2 has a ninth grade education.   Now, hey, listen. I knew some pretty freaking  brilliant kids in eighth and nth grade. Uh,   I don’t think that these were two of them.

Like  there were kids that I went to school with that   I was like that like looking back as a 50-year-old  man go back to you know I won’t mention names but   friends or acquaintances or schoolmates that I  had in ninth grade had they dropped out then I   I I to this day would go yeah they’re going to be  okay. Not not these two love birds. Not that kid   and not that kid. I just Mm- Nope. No, no, no, no,  no new.

And by the way, like this is this is No,   this isn’t a tangent. This is connected. But I  went to a high school that was known at the time   and I guess probably still is pretty well known  as having a terrific baseball program. There was   always somebody that was being scouted for the  major leagues. And I mean, there are so many   graduates of my high school that played or are  currently playing in Major League Baseball.

Uh,   one of the things that when I was, let’s  see, it was my freshman year of high school,   uh, a set of seniors, he being scouted for  Major League Baseball and he indeed having a   career in Major League Baseball later, he and  his girlfriend got married their senior year.   They were married in high school. Um, I don’t I  I wasn’t friends with them. I was a freshman.

Um,   but I and so I don’t know what the what the deal  was, but they were a um, you know, a a regular   old kind of high school couple that walk around  holding hands and kind of make out in the quad   every once in a while. And he was he was the star  baseball player. I can’t remember what, you know,   what click or whatever she was in. Again, I wasn’t  really friends with him.

I just kind of looked up   to them because I thought they were so cool. But  so I know that there are people that get married   at least back then in high school or near high  school. My parents uh my dad had been graduated   a year when they got married. They were just  waiting for my mom to finish high school and that   uh that autumn they often got married. Right? So  that’s not the issue for me.

The issue for me is   I think I think that I think these four adults  don’t have eight brain cells to rub together   combined. And I I think it’s idiocracy. And I  don’t understand having 16 children when you’re   living in conditions the way that they are. And  I’m not like I’m not making fun. I’m like honestly   I am baffled by this.

just absolutely dumbfounded  by by this entire situation and at the same time   understanding and knowing that this is happening  everywhere all the time and and that makes me   sad. So, we’ll probably have to get into some good  news here pretty shortly because I don’t know how   much of this I can take anymore. Okay.

Uh, let’s  let’s turn this channel from a true crime channel   to a like humans are awesome channel because  I don’t know how much I can take it anymore,   guys. I just don’t know. But that’s that’s where  we are on the case. Ooh, before I move on, though,   let me see what you guys are saying on uh  on the live chataroon here. Let me just let’s see. Cather Catherine says, “Do you distrust  him?” The tangential saratoral observations.

Do   I distrust Mr. Stully? No. No. I think he’s  probably a good lawyer. I think that Well,   you guys know how I feel about his tie.  I think I think he needs a little bit   of asymmetry in his look, but it’s  okay. Uh, Beetle Bug Ventures saying,   “Attorney is playing games or legal ease.” Uh, I  think he I think it’s just what the process is.

Cabling says, “I hate his tie. It’s as confusing  as he wants us to be.” I don’t hate it. I’m a fan   of the double Windsor. I think it’s fine. And I  like the diagonal tie. I even like how it’s kind   of just um what would we call that? Duo chromatic.  How? I don’t know how you call that.

And kind of   matches his his jacket. It’s fine. I just I think  with a single Windsor he’d have a better look. And   that’s all. I don’t I think he’s doing a good job.  I think he’s doing a good job. Becky Johnson says,   “I work in the DV space.

Women who have endured  years of DV are literally experiencing brain   damage as a result of continuous mistreatment  like P. Literally.” That reminds me, Becky,   great comment. There was a really good comment  on my Facebook page today. Let me see if I can   find it. Because the natural inclination for  us is to kind of go, I hate these people. Look   what they did to these kids.

And uh I want  them to go to prison forever and you know,   never never see the light of day again. And that’s  a completely natural thing to uh natural reaction.   And this person didn’t uh ask me to read this on  air or anything or so I’m I’m going to just read   it so you can’t see it. But but listen to listen  to this I think thoughtful comment.

Okay, this is   a thoughtful comment. We will call this commenter  Tracy because she calls herself Tracy. Okay. Uh, I   can’t imagine 18 years of emotional turmoil caused  by constant hormonal changes during adolescence,   pregnancies, and postpartum. Then throw in the  grief of losing twins.

The exhaustion from taking   care of children in all life stages. The shame of  constantly needing assistance that is supposed to   be temporary. The guilt of not being enough to  hold it together as a beautiful mom and wife.   the negative self-t talk of not being the daughter  she should be. The mask of utilizing skeleton   resources to continue the cycle.

I don’t know  about you, but I wouldn’t be able to think clearly   in the midst of all that. That is what I think  I I think that’s a thoughtful comment. I think   it presupposes that there is enough intelligence  there to to think these kinds of things through.   Nevertheless, I think it’s a really I think it’s  a strong comment. That’s all I’m saying. Okay. Um,   user 7239 says, “I think the insanity argument  could be made because of postpartum depression   or even psychosis.” Could be. Could be.  Yeah.

I mean, she had an 18-month-old,   right? Could be. Pearl Snaps, would you express  your thoughts about data centers? Pearl Snaps.   Like I’m okay with questions, but that one feels  like a three questions question. So I’m g I’m   gonna let you send that one in. Uh Lana Fisk  3805. My hubby is the same. S name is George   Steven. His family and high school friends  call him Steve. I met him as George.

Well,   did he choose it then? If you  choose to go by your middle name,   then more power to you. But if your parents did  to you, that’s just mean as my parents did. But,   you know, mean moms, as I always say, are  the best moms. Um, Becky Johnson says that   signature screams Parkinsonism or writing with  his non-dominant hand result of a stroke.

Let me   uh let me bring that back up. Yeah. Yeah. I  don’t I don’t disagree with you there, Becky. Uh,   Free to People says that sounded very much like  Olivia Newton John’s Don’t Go Breaking My Heart   intentional. Uh, no. My intention was the Don’t Go  Breaking My Heart by Elton John and Kiki D. But,   but close enough. Close enough. Don’t go breaking  the law. Yep.

Lesie says, “Joining late, so I   might have missed this, but did you list the the  six classics you read this year?” I did not. I’ve   not listed the six classics that I have read this  year. What are they? There are Tale of Two Cities,   of Men. Um, hold on. I’m I’m I’m blanking here  for a second. Tale of Two Cities of Men.

Um, oh my   goodness. What are the What are the Martin Fier um  Huck Finn? Let me search. I’ve got it right here. No, I don’t. Hold on. Hold on. I’m blanking. I’m I’m having a moment here.  Come on, fish. Okay. Tale of two cities,   of mice and men. And then from of mice and men, I  went over Oh, I did Fahrenheit 451.

I did Martin   Fiero. What is the one that I aberry fin? What is  the one that I’m missing that I did? I will think   of it. I will think of it. Uh, no. I I can’t I  can’t think of it. I’ve got to I’ve got to look it   up.

Obviously, it made a huge huge uh impression,  right? Let me Where’s my list? Where is my list? Okay. I sent it to my uh to my aunt so  that she would Oh, To Kill Mockingbird,   of course. Yeah. Okay. So, the six classics  that I read were, and this is the order I did   it in. I did, let me get back to you guys.  Hold on. I did Tale of Two Cities, of Men,   um, Tequilla Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451, Martin  Fiero, and Huckleberry Finn.

That those are the   six that I did. Martin Fiero is an is an Argentine  classic. It’s uh it’s an epic poem. And I have to   say as it was written in the 1800s and it was  written in the style of poetry, I didn’t get a   lot out of it and I would love to read it again.  It’s like when I read um Doniote I in the original   Spanish I read it for the first time and I went oh  that was interesting but I really don’t understand   this. And so I I did it again a couple years  later.

So, I think that’s what I’ll probably   have to do with Martin Firo. Um, I think out of  the six, number one for me is probably To Kill a   Mockingbird. And I almost want to read To Kill  a Watchman or or Stan’s a Watchman. What’s it   called? Not To Kill a Watchman. Comes a watchman.  I almost want to read to or comes a watchman. Uh,   but Huck Finn, oh my goodness.

Uh, is that chapter  31 or 32 where Huck is Jim has been sold back   into slavery and Huck has decided to turn a new  leaf. In fact, he has told the truth to somebody   and he has felt what it feels like the freeing  freeing nature of telling the truth and being a   good person and he has decided that he is going  to do that. But Jim has been sold into slavery   and society is telling him that that is the right  thing to do and he is wrestling with himself over   what to do and the whole I mean it’s a moment in  in literature that is that is f it’s famous right   the well I’ll go to hell I’ll take up wickedness  you know it was I mean I got chills right now when

he decided nope I’m going I’m I’m going to do the  wrong thing in his mind because he’s a boy, right?   I’m going to do the wrong thing because I know  it’s the right thing because Jim is my friend. Oh,   it’s so good. So good. Oh, yeah. I I really missed  out when I didn’t read it as a kid.

Uh would they   have been counted in a recent census? Oh, good  question. They they would have been, I bet.   Diane saying, “Did the children receive any  welfare money, food stamps, or Medicaid?” Um,   I think we learned from Mr. Archer that the only  ones receiving any type of public aid were G1 and   Christina, if I remember correctly. May may not  have been Mr. Archer. It may have been Mr.

Wilson,   but that that’s the last thing that I remember  about about that. I I don’t know specifically.   Freda people, Gary the Elder and the other Gary.  That’s funny. I’ve got um I’ve got two brothers   and uh obviously they both have different names,  but to me both of them their nickname is Boris. They’re both older brothers. One of them is  Boris, the other one is Boris.

And so when   when I talk to one of them, it’s  Boris. When I talk to the other,   it’s Boris. And if we’re all three together,  it’s Boris and Boris. But when I refer to them,   I refer to them as BTE and BTY. Boris  the elder and Boris the younger. That’s funny. Cabling says, “The old man doesn’t  even know what ends up.

” Yeah, he’s he’s in a hard   way for sure. Pearl snaps, do I read on Kindle?  Pearl, I I you know what? That is another three   questions. Uh question coffee time for D. I will  crack the sequel to kill a mockingb bird if you   will. I bought it and can’t seem to start it.  Yeah, comes a watchman. Ah, I might want I might   want to read it. Might want to read it. Did I  see the judge’s name? Yeah, Feather.

Uh what   is it? Judge Feather. Um Rogers. Judge Rogers. I  love Mr. Rogers, by the way. Uh, do you do any of   your keeps hop on and watch you each night? Any of  my I don’t know. I don’t know what that question   actually means. Oh, kids. Do any of my kids hop on  and watch me each night? No.

No. They They get me   in real life. Why would they? Why? I don’t want  to do that, guys. Okay, so that’s where we are   in the case. We’ve caught up on your comments and  all is good. We still have a little bit of show   left though. A lot of bit of show actually because  we have got some headlines that I want to go over   in the Lindsay Clansancy trial. I want to talk  a little bit about Nolan Wells.

I foreshadowed   that just a little bit. Something about the  Puma County Sheriff’s Office which is kind of   infuriating. We And then we will finish out with  some good news. Some good news. Uh, but before   we get into any of that, how about we hop into  three questions? Three questions with Gavin Fish. Okie dokie.

Question number one, guys, in the  three questions segment, I answer three of your   questions that you sent in to the email address on  your screen, threequ [email protected]. It’s   all spelled out. Threequ questions atgavfish.com.  My solemn promise, my pledge, my covenant with you   is that I will answer all of your questions, but  I get to choose the the order and I only do them   three at a time. Send in your questions. Question  number one comes to us from Terara.

What was the   first album or song you remember really loving?  I grew up in a music loving family. We had,   of course, at the time it was a different kind  of thing, but we had a a stereo in the living   room. We had a piano in the living room. We had  other various instruments throughout the house.   And in each one of our bedrooms, we had a stereo.  We listened to a lot of music.

We even had boom   boxes, if you can believe it. My brother Boris,  he had our first family boom box. It was It was   a great It was Boris the Younger. Anywh who  uh so I remember I think my earliest memory   of looking through albums. Uh I remember there  was a Barry Manalo album that was just a picture   of Barry Manalo and I couldn’t I I didn’t know is  that am I looking at am I looking at a man here?   Am I looking at a woman here? I I I just don’t  know. But I’m intrigued. I remember that.

Uh,   but the first album that I really remember  loving is probably Thriller 1984, right? Probably   Thriller. Now, when I was a kid, I had an aunt who  was really into disco, so she had she had lots of   BeeGees stuff. I loved putting on Beeges, but I  I don’t remember me going, “Oo, let’s listen to   whatever song.” Right. But when Thriller came out  and the entire album front to back was perfection.

I mean, it was so good. That’s probably the  first one for me. Question number two. Oh,   and by the way, I love questions that you guys can  answer in the live chat and in the comments. So,   so get your answers in. Question number two from  Janet. Janet, uh, you’re getting chosen quite a   lot lately. You twice yesterday and once today.

If  you could learn one instrument, well, which would   you pick? Here’s the thing, Janet. I’ve thought  about this question ever since I copied it off   of my spreadsheet and put it into this little  document. I can learn one instrument well. Um,   I wouldn’t say that I I do play any instruments  really well, but I also being a music lover,   I I just I’m a person that just I get I get stuck  on one thing and I love that thing for a while   and then and then I move on to another thing.

So,  so, you know, I noodle around on lots of different   instruments. Um, so I guess the spirit of your  question is which one would you want to play   like the best at? Oh, probably piano would be my  favorite to to just really play well. Uh, I told   you guys about my grandmother. My grandmother  was a an amazing musician and the piano was   her was her primary instrument.

And it’s just so  cool to have a home where there’s a piano sitting   over there and somebody goes, “Oh, do you play the  piano? Can you play this?” And yes, the answer is   yes. I think that’s cool. You answer the question  too in the live chat and in the comments. Question   number three from Megan.

What is your favorite  season for taking photos? What an interesting   question. Uh I have been going out with the old  medium format camera and taking some photography.   have been focused on both outdoor well it’s all  outdoor but like landscape stuff and architectural   stuff but my favorite style of photography is  portraiture specifically studio portraiture so it   really doesn’t need a season I can I can do it any  season and I’ve got some beautiful portraits of   our children um my wife doesn’t like having having  her picture taken but I’ve got a couple of really

pretty portraits of her. Uh we have one daughter  that she will just come to me and say, “Hey,   daddy, I’ve got this idea for a portrait. Will you  do it?” “Yes.” And we’ve done some some beautiful   stuff with her. Uh the others are just like,  “Okay, yeah, I’ll do it if you make me do it.” So,   every season is a good season for taking pictures  because I like to do the indoor stuff.

Um,   but as far as like if I were to do outdoor stuff,  I really like taking pictures of water. And so it   has to be a time when water is running. So for  me, that’s the springtime, I guess, is is what I   like the most. So those are your three questions,  guys.

What was the first album or song you really   you remember really loving? If you could learn  one instrument, well, which would you pick? Why   would you pick that instrument? And what’s your  favorite season for doing whatever it is that   you do? Photography is my favorite uh hobby,  but what is yours? It might be different. And   and what’s your favorite season for that and why?  And while you guys are working on answering those   questions in the live chat and in the comments,  I will get us into some headlines. Here we go.

True crime headlines. Okie dokie. Let’s take a  look at the Lindseay Clancy trial real quick.   Couple things in the trial happened today that  I think are important. This from Court TV.   Prosecution focuses on blood stains and pill  bottles in Lindsay Clancy’s murder trial. Of   course, Lindseay Clancy is on trial for the  murder of her three children.

Dine Plymouth,   Massachusetts. Prosecutors trying to convince  a Massachusetts jury that a mother murdered her   three young children have turned their focus  to blood evidence found in the family’s home.   Lindseay Clancy, 35, has admitted to killing her  three children, but pleaded not guilty to murder   charges in the case, arguing that she suffered  from postpartum psychosis.

Clancy’s three young   children, Kora, five, Dawson 3, and Kalen, eight  months, were strangled to death with exercise   bands in the basement of the family’s home.  Clancy’s defense attorney, Kevin Readington,   told the jury in his opening statement that  after taking their ch her children’s lives,   Clancy cut her neck and risks wrists with a knife  and then threw herself from a window on the second   floor of the family’s home in an attempt to take  her own life.

First responders and doctors who   treated the defendant at the hospital said  she suffered serious and permanent injuries,   including paralysis and experienced a cardiac  arrest that nearly killed her while she was   in the hospital. Prosecutors have argued the  self-inflicted injuries weren’t as serious as   they could have been and that the defendant  never truly intended to take her own life.

While Clancy’s husband described blood covering  the couple’s bedroom after he returned home to   find his wife on the lawn and his kids dead in  the basement, a blood spatter expert said there’s   no evidence that blood sprayed into the room at  any point. Instead, Sher Crook, who works for the   Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab, testified on  Tuesday that the drips and puddles of blood found   in the Clansancy home were more suggestive of  someone standing still and letting blood run down   onto the floor than someone slashing an artery.  So, yeah, it was focused on the, you know, blood

expert and and the drugs. Uh, and then there is um  this last paragraph I want to actually go over to   this article from WCVB. Sarah Congi, Phil Tensor,  Ed Harding writing, Lindsay Clancy speaks to judge   for first time during murder trial. Uh, at the  start of the day, she uh, let me start over.   I’ll do the I’ll do the lead.

Lindseay Clancy,  the Massachusetts mother accused of murdering   her three children in 2023, spoke in court Tuesday  for the first time since the start of her trial.   At the start of the day, she answered several  questions from Judge William Sullivan with brief,   respectful acknowledgements as her defense entered  into stipulation agreements with the prosecution   on several points.

For example, when the judge  asked whether she understood that the stip   stipulations would give up her right to confront  the relevant witnesses, Clancy responded, “Yes,   your honor.” Jurors were not present for the  discussion, and the stipulated facts were not   made public until after the court’s lunch break.  When jurors returned to the room for the afternoon   session, Sullivan read the agreements aloud to  the jury.

Each of the three stipulations included   facts about toxicology testing related to Clancy’s  three children, Kellen, Kora, and Dawson. Her   lawyer said this agreement can do away with the  prosecution’s presentation of witnesses testifying   to the chain of custody related to evidence and  expedite the case. Legal analyst James Berettto,   a retired district court judge, agreed the move is  likely to s shorten the trial.

quote, he made it   clear that he wasn’t relieving the Commonwealth  of his obligation to prove beyond a reasonable   doubt that she’s guilty of murder by means of one  of the probably two theories and its obligation   to prove that she was sane when she allegedly  committed these acts. So, he’s doing this just   to shorten the trial and it’s on relatively  non-controversial items, Breto said.

Also,   Tuesday, jurors heard detailed testimony about  Clancy’s injuries, blood evidence found around   the family’s home. So, uh, some stipulations  made today in order to shorten the trial and,   um, and I mean, I think that’s good for everybody.  Of course, he didn’t stipulate to to anything that   would endanger his defense of his client, I guess.  Moving on to Nolan Wells.

A third arrest has been   made as a man allegedly threatened to kill two  witnesses. Oh my goodness. This has to stop,   guys. Uh, written by Samira Aszma Sedake or Sadiq,  I don’t know. A third person has been arrested   for allegedly threatening witnesses in Nolan  Wells case one month after his disappearance,   and death drew intense attention to the  friends who were last seen with him.

Wells disappeared on Horn Island in Mississippi  after celebrating July 4th with his friends and   was found dead on the northwest end of the island  on the 6th. The cases fueled intense attention on   Wells friends and their actions surrounding  his disappearance. While his family has also   faced online abuse, no one has been charged in  connection with Wells disappearance or death.

In the latest update, Edward James Porter, 40, was  arrested on charges of transmitting threatening   communications in Interstate Commerce. The Sun  Herald and WXXV25 reported on Tuesday, August 4th,   today, citing court records. According to  court documents obtained by the outlets,   Porter allegedly told a witness he  would come kill them and their family,   then sent their witness their home address  to show that he knew where they lived.

Porter is the third person arrested on similar  charges connected to the case. On Thursday,   July 30th, Joseph Alfredo Vasquez Dumarse, a  27year-old Sacramento, California resident got to   represent my hometown better than this. Come on.  Sack town was arrested on a charge of interstate   transmission of threatening communication for  allegedly threatening judge uh Ashley Cole,   the stepmother of Wells friend Warren Hudson,  who was on Horn Island with him. Okay.

Then   Michelle Francine Edwards of Cincinnati, Ohio,  has also been arrested on the same charge after   allegedly calling the George County Clerk’s office  several times in July and making bomb threats,   including saying the clock is ticking, according  to a criminal complaint. So, what I want to bring   up to this is I know that this is preaching to the  choir.

Nobody in my audience is going to do this,   but if you are talking with fellow enthusiasts  and aficionados of true crime and it feels like   they’re getting worked up, please remind them  not to be dill holes. Don’t do this. Don’t think   this. Don’t feel this. Fight against it. And  if I could just offer another facet to this,   and I said this when Elizabeth Jones was on the  other day, there is there are many, but the the   one example that I will hold up of absolute and  utter grace when it comes to fighting injustice,   uh like um like Nolan Wells family is doing. well,  what they think they’re doing. We don’t know if if

it was an accident or not. And and it’s proper  and appropriate to be asking those questions,   but I think the the way that it is being  handled by people in the Wells family circle,   I think that they bear a little bit of the  responsibility of whipping this fervor up.   The one example that I would point to are  Sandy and Joshua Greenberg, the parents of   Ellen Greenberg, who with determination, grit,  absolute uh I don’t know even how to describe   what they have done to seek justice for their  daughter Ellen, but they’ve done it with grace.

They’ve never called for heads. They have  never uh they’ve never whipped up any type of   uh in their case it would be like anti-semitic um  rhetoric that you know or calling out anti-semitic   rhetoric. Not that they would be anti-Semitic,  but you know what I mean. They have not they   have not done any of that.

They have simply with  grace and with determination worked hard for the   um for justice for their daughter Ellen. And  uh I understand the the what well I guess I’m   sympathetic. I probably don’t understand it but  I am sympathetic to the anger that a family would   feel when they believe that their son was murdered  and the world is saying that he wasn’t or may   not have been. I’m sympathetic to that. But you  can’t go around whipping folks up.

And it’s not   just the people around Nolan Wells family. It’s  also people like me in the true crime community   who are also kind of whipping these folks up.  We bear responsibility for keeping things sane.   And I have to say, I’m really proud of people  like Nate Eaton and Robbie Harvey for calling   this out on social media and telling everybody  chill out.

I I really appreciate that responsible   angle that they have taken and I applaud them for  that. Uh there are others too um that that have   done the same thing and but there are others  that irresponsibly are whipping people up and   they’re doing it for clicks and for eyeballs and  for pennies coming in one at a time. So let’s   all just take a breather, right? Uh maybe maybe  Wanda can calm us down a little bit.

Thank you,   Wanda. we can all just calm down and um feel good  about life and still seek justice if that is what   is needed for this poor young man Nolan Wells  who one thing we do know is he did lose his   life and we want to make sure that if there was a  crime that it that justicees served there but we   don’t want to do it at the expense of whipping  soft-minded and uh idiot-headed people up into   doing things like calling in bomb threats and  making death threats.

We don’t want to do that,   right? Okay. Um, one other thing I wanted to bring  up in headlines is there is a man. Read this.   This has to do with the Puma County Sheriff’s  Office. The This is the sheriff’s office who is   investigating the Nancy Guthrie case. It doesn’t  have anything to do with the Nancy Guthrie case,   and I’m not going to read the whole thing, but  but read this with me or listen to me read it.

A Tucson man seeks 176 million from Puma County  Sheriff’s Department after being left paralyzed   by deputy shooting. Written by Katya Mendoza.  A Tucson man is seeking 176 million in monetary   damages from the Puma County Sheriff’s Department  after deputies entered his home and shot him,   leaving him paralyzed from the chest down.

Attorneys representing 24year-old Axiel Melendez   and his mother, Carmen Melendez, filed a notice  of claim against Sheriff Chris Nanos and his   department last week, informing the county they  intend to sue. A notice of claim is a statutory   prerequisite for filing a lawsuit against a  public entity or employee. Um, our justice   system recognizes the dignity of a human life and  the importance of the completeness of your body.

Axile’s health, his independence, his ability  to earn a living, his sense of security that’s   all been stolen away from him, said Dev Sethi,  the lead attorney representing Melinda’s and   his mother. The sheriff’s department did not  immediately respond to requests for comment.   Um, Seth says Axial Melendez and his mother  were victims of a swatting incident.

And again, how people I mean, we’re going to have to have  some really good news here, okay, to end the show.   But what you guys know what swatting is? Swatting  is calling in a threat to somebody else’s house   or residence or business in order to get the the  SWAT team to show up. It’s horrible. Okay.

So, and   it says what it is. A criminal plank that a prank  that can involve placing fake emergency calls to   emergency responders at a specific location with a  goal of provoking a significant response from law   enforcement.

On April 10th, a caller impersonating  Melendez called the 311 non-emergency number for   city services stating that his father has shot  his sister and provided Melendez’s home address.   quote, “This morning, this morning of the 10th  of the April 10th call had many red flags and   hallmarks of it being a fake call, including  this call came in to 311. Nobody reporting an   emergency calls 311,” Sethi said.

Sethi said  the caller mispronounced Melinda’s first name,   even though they were impersonating him. The call  also came from an outofstate area code. Less than   48 hours before that call, Seth said his client  had received a threatening message from someone   who hacked his personal information while he  was playing a multiplayer video game demanding a   ransom to get his passwords and accounts back.

The  hacker had also threatened to call US Immigration   and Customs Enforcement to deport Melendez because  he had a Hispanic name. They meant to write that   and Hispanic name. Doesn’t matter, Gavin. It’s  okay. It’s okay. After being threatened, Melendez   called 911 to make a report. He tells a 911  operator all of this and she essentially downplays   it and says, “Don’t worry, that’s not how it  works.

They can’t just call 911 and have the SWAT   team show up at your house,” Seth said. Deputies  then reassured Melendez that they would notify him   if another suspicious call, including his address,  were to come in. On April 10th, responding   deputies allegedly disregarded a warning from a  deputy who was aware that Melendez’s home address   was known as a potential swatting target.

According to the notice of claim, a deputy   admitted that even though there was information,  the call could be an attempted swatting. She still   approached the Melinda’s home with the mindset  to quote, “Treat it like it’s real until it’s   not real.” Close quote. When deputies arrived  at the Melendez home, they broke in through a   bedroom window, which led Axile to believe there  were intruders inside.

He then grabbed his family   legally obtained handgun, hiding behind his  bedroom door. Deputies then opened fire.   Two bullets out of seven shots hit Melendez in  his right thigh and left shoulder, breaking his   ribs and leg, and leaving him with a spinal cord  injury, according to the claim. So, I won’t finish   it out, but my goodness, what a series of events.

Whoever if if they can find out whoever did this,   whoever did the swatting incident, they should be  that that should be some sort of crazy long prison   sentence. Long long long prison sentence for  somebody who would do that. Okay, before we get to   good news, I promise we’re going to do good news  because we we got to we got to feel better.

Okay,   I did see that uh we got a couple of um super  chats. Thank you very much for that. Uh from   Lynn Freudenthal, thank you very much for your  super chat. Deeply appreciate you. And then I   saw another one come in. Oh, another one. Two  of them. Thank you very much, Lynn. I appreciate   that. And then uh let me let me go to we’ll start  with Mooney. Question number one.

Super [ __ ]   Their first album and surely was my favorite song  on the album. I still have that album, but it is   so scratched. I need a replacement. Garbut says  Osmond Crazy Horses. Elizabeth says, “Question one   would be the piano.” Montana says, “Dark Side of  the Moon.” Oh, that’s a good one.

I I really did   not hold the Pink Floyd lovers in high esteem in  high school. I was in my late 20s when I finally   came around to Oh my goodness, that is a great  great group. Coffee time for D says, “Question   one that will keep us together.” Uh, that will  keep us together by Captain Tanil. Question two,   guitar. Question three, Autumn. Mary Shaw says,  “Great choice, piano.

” Becky says, “Either piano   or guitar. The latter because of portability,  although keyboards are portable indeed.” Elizabeth   says, “Thriller by Michael Jackson.” That’s a  great album. Such a good album. Becky says, “The   Beatles would be my first album and autumn is my  favorite season for taking photos in an area where   it’s colorful.” and we live in in the northeast  where autumns are just so beautiful.

Freda says,   “My parents and siblings all listen to great  music, but the first one I remember discovering   and liking for myself was cool in the gang  instrumental summer madness.” And that is a great   one. That is a good one. Uh Beetle says, “Pink  Floyd Money and Heart Dreambo Dreamboat Annie.”   Um, I remember I got a really nice turntable.  This was maybe 15 years ago.

Up until that point,   our house had only been digital. And I had I had  gotten a very, very nice turntable. If I remember   correctly, it was a Funk Firm turntable from the  UK. Very good table. And um I decided to take the   kids over to Dimple to purchase a couple records.

And when we got there, my 10-year-old daughter   at the time when asking what kind of we went to  the used record section and when asked what she   wanted, she said, “I want to listen to Chicks  That Rock.” Those were her words, “Chicks that   Rock.” And I said, “I got just the album for you.”  We flipped through it, grabbed a copy of Dreamboat   Annie. Great album. Uh, let’s see. Lannifist  says, “I wish I could play organ and piano.

My   first album I remember having was the Woodstock  album. All three records playing them as loud as   I could.” Ah, yes. That’s good stuff. Good stuff.  Uh, let’s see if there’s anything else before we   go. Oh, let’s see. Coffee time for D.

The police  need to vet information and handle themselves much   better. They know people use them for pranks.  They need to realize they might be too trigger   happy. Agreed. Agreed. Okay, guys. Uh we need  to we have we have been righteously indignant.   We have been angry. We have been understanding as  well. We have been investigative and curious. Now,   we need to get into a good mood.

And so  Wanda, I’m going to ask you to give us   uh some music to get us in the right mood  for good news. Ah, the barber shop today. Very nice, Wanda. Very nice. That makes me feel  good. Every time makes me feel good. All right,   guys. Uh, where is it? Oh, I didn’t open it. Hold  on. Hold on. Let’s open the good news. Gavin,   Gavin, what are you doing, man? What are you  doing? Here we go. There we go, guys.

I love   stories that just just give me hope in humanity.  It just gives me hope in humanity. I love these   stories, okay? And it this is a good way to end  the day. So, thanks for sticking around all the   way to the end. This is great. This from people  written by Ashley Vega. headline, boy with autism   gets his dream birthday thanks to 83 neighbors.

And there’s a picture for those of you listening   on the podcast, there’s a picture of a a a boy  dressed as a banana next to a picture that says   happy birthday. Has a happy birthday sign. Okay.  All right. When Leah Pharaoh asked her neighbors   if they’d help make her son’s birthday wish come  true, she thought a handful of people might say   yes.

Instead, 83 families spent a summer afternoon  answering their doors for an 11-year-old boy who   simply wanted to trick or treat. That’s awesome.  Quote, “I did not expect it at all.” Pharaoh 47   tells people of the overwhelming response after  asking her neighborhood Facebook group if anyone   would let her son Saurin trick-or- treat for  his summer birthday. continuing her quote,   “I was expecting a few people to agree, but the  sheer amount of people wanting to make my son’s   birthday special was amazing.” Close quote.

The heartwarming celebration, which Pharaoh   later shared on Tik Tok, showed Saurin dressed  in a banana costume as he happily made his way   from house to house with his trick-or- treat  bucket. The video’s text overlay explained that   after she asked neighbors where they’d whether  they’d participate in a summer trick-or- treat,   83 people enthusiastically volunteered, while her  caption thanked them for showing why community   matters. For Saurin, trick-or-treating had become  much more than a Halloween tradition.

Pharaoh says   her son loves walking and ringing doorbells, and  last fall, he realized trick-or-treating let him   do both all evening, quickly becoming one of his  favorite activities. Quote, “Since then, he would   sometimes pretend to play trick-or-treating  at our house, putting on a part of a costume,   and walking around with his bucket, knocking on  doors, and saying trick-or- treat,” she says.

As   his birthday approached a few months later,  Pharaoh started thinking about how she could   recreate that excitement in the middle of summer.  She turned to her neighborhood Facebook group,   hoping enough families would be willing to answer  the door for just one afternoon. Her neighbors   didn’t just say yes.

After Pharaoh offered  to drop off candy for everyone to hand out,   residents instead asked what Saurin’s favorite  candy, snacks, and toys were so they could help   make each stop feel personal. It was incredibly  touching to see the amount of effort everyone   put into the day, she says. I offered to drop off  candy for everyone to pass out, but no one took   me up on that offer and instead asked what candy  he liked as well as what toys and snacks.

Look,   and there’s a picture of him with his haul. Look  at that haul. He’s got he’s got Play-Doh. He’s   got toys. He’s got like Oh, he’s got some Cheetos  there. This this kid has gotten he has made quite   the hall. Okay. As Saurin made his bucket through  the neighborhood, some neighbors dropped candy   into his bucket while others surprised him with  gifts waiting behind the door.

But for Pharaoh,   it was another group of participants that left  the biggest impression. Quote, “I think seeing the   children being so excited to participate really  stayed with me. Of course, cuz kids are awesome.   Their joy was infectious and made me optimistic  about Saurin being loved and accepted by his peers   of beautiful.

Throughout the celebration, Saurin  showed his excitement in the ways that came most   naturally to him. Pharaoh says he repeated  favorite phrases, jumped with excitement,   and flapped his arms before trick-or-treating  began and throughout the afternoon. For Pharaoh,   the birthday celebration also quieted a worry many  parents of autistic children know well. Seeing so   many neighbors embrace her son made her feel  confident that he belongs exactly where he is.

Quote, “Knowing that my community accepts him and  embraces him gives me a sense of relief. I know   that my son is safe here and loved by those around  him.” I’m going to finish it because it’s awesome.   She hopes Saurin’s story also reminds people that  no two autistic children are alike.

While Saurin   is sensory seeking and loves movement, music,  and noise, she says many families still feel   isolated because they’re afraid their child’s  behaviors might inconvenience others. Quote,   “Reaching out to parents of autistic children in  your life and offering to come over even just to   spend social time with them can’t help a lot.

” She  says, “Although Pharaoh never expected the Tik Tok   to resonate with so many people, she believes  its message is simple. Sometimes she says, “All   it takes is asking for help to discover just how  much kindness is already waiting nearby.” Quote,   “I hope people take away that tons of good people  are out there, and sometimes all you have to do   is reach out and give them an opportunity to  show that.

” Pharaoh says, “It’s easy to get   lost in the bad news, but there’s so much love  and wonder in the world if you look for it.”   and I echo that sentiment and am grateful that  you would spend this time with me. And um the good   news for me is that I get to do this every night.  Uh it gets really easy for us to get into I mean   just becoming baptized with the bad news after  bad news after bad news of horrible, horrible,   horrible crimes.

And it’s important that we do  it for a lot of different reasons that we talk   about on this show, but also it’s important to  know that we are a community. We are a community   of people. It’s one of the reasons I love going to  like Crime Con, right? We are a community of folks   that share common values and common interests.  And that means that we can be friends and we can   do wonderful things for one another.

and you do  wonderful things for me every single day for which   I am extremely extremely grateful. Will you guys  remember that tomorrow is Wednesday. That means   that we have our after show tomorrow. We will  be doing it for our members and our patrons.   For those of you who stuck around, let me just  head on over here and I think it’s I think I can send out five memberships. Yes. Yes. Yes,  I can.

Uh so there are some memberships for   five of you to come and join us on the after show  tomorrow after our regular show. We will start at   uh 600 p. am. Eastern here tomorrow for our  regular show and then at 7:30 we will do our after   show for members and patrons. I hope that you will  join me then and here.

Also, don’t forget you can   always check me out on my website, gavfish.com. If  you’re on Facebook, that’s where I am most active   on social media. You can join me in the fish tank  or on my own page. Just search Gavinfish, you will   find me. With that, I bid you. I do. Thank you  for being here. I’ll catch you on the next one.

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